and the -- (laughter). but then dealing with paul ryan, dealing with trump, all these people that had his back supposedly and just him being there and the only person he had to rely on through it all was his wife. i think that's nice. i thought it was a thoughtful way to sort of say, you know, (bleep) off. (laughter) (cheers and applause) >> jon: you look at -- he has undeniably like -- talk about a family -- people say the most important thing is family. talk about a family unit that is large, successful, good looking. you wonder, you turned around and you saw them all surround him at his concession spaoefpb and he's so heartbroken and that sense of "at least i still have my family." but do you think he looked at them like "all right. whatever." >> this will do. this will be fine. no i truly think that the guy's more human than we give him credit for. >> jon: did he ever stop by? >> i've never met him or joe biden. my father met joe biden in 2008 and had a really funny line where he said to the senator at that time, you know, hey, you do the best impression of my son i've ever seen. (laughter